Let her rot like she left Joan and that INNOCENT baby Alex. Stable situation. After a very early failed marriage, the 24-year-old Joann scored a new husband in Andrew Katrinak, 38, whom she met at a club. The 5-foot-9-inch-tall Patricia was physically strong, no match for 5-foot-4-inch Joann. She and Andrew Katrinak shared a house in Salisbury Township in the mid-1980s, when he was a self-employed contractor and she was a real-estate agent. Police identified the pair as Joann and Alex Katrinak. After her arraignment, she had to walk past a crowd of dozens of locals screeching hang her! and baby killer! Patricia clung to a Polaroid picture showing her and her own little girl. To prove it 110% rather than just 99% I dont know why they wouldnt retest the hair fibers etc. How so? If you so dearly feel the need to occupy the high ground in debate or an argument, have the decency to quote accurately. Your pathetic attempt to insult not only shows a not very original comment, but clearly displays a lack of intelligence. I most definitely will not personally afford Patricia a platform, Michael said in an email to ForensicFilesNow.com She had her chance to answer my questions and tell her story in court over 20 years ago. Catherine are you sure your names not Karen? Bethlehem, Pennsylvania. Now, there are suggestions the family's solution to Andrew potentially losing his home could be to move him into the 'nest egg' Fergie purchased as an investment for their daughters, Princess Beatrice, 34, and Princess Eugenie, 32. The difference between the cases was that the child was not injured and the individual wrote down the details of the plan in a notebook, but otherwise it seems extremely similar to me. What the prosecution failed to disclose to Rorrers defence team was that the cops, in their zeal to prove their gun theory, visited several addresses of which Rorrer was resident, dug up the gardens in which she was known to do target practice recovered several shell casings and bullets (more than 70), had them ballistically tested, but NOT ONE was found to be a match to the bullet recovered from the victim. I have worked for Interpol for years as a gun analyst, usually women who commit such crimes against their exes wife or mistress, lover etc are pushed from behind by a man and promises and lies. The only record of a call from Patricia to the Katrinak household was on 12/7/94. Dot Jost, Rorrer's next-door neighbor, had no idea what was going on, although she did see police cars in Rorrer's driveway from time to time. Why would she say that maybe she wasnt really a good friend, just someone trying to inject herself into a super sensational case. Tiffany, it is amazing you have all the answers to these murders! I was like OK, maybe she was tired, you know with a new baby. Andrew married Mary A Katrinak (born Ondek). It says that Andrew reported the cut phone lines and broken pad lock was reported to the police at 10:30. That phone call came in on December 7, 1994. How is it that these women are paroled? Rorrer waived her extradition rights late Tuesday afternoon. Why? Police obtained samples of her blood and hair, and a microscopic examination revealed similarities to hair found at the crime scene. She never had anyone testify against her but an ex-boyfriend! ``Her lawyer said anything we say could be used against her,' Chambers said late Tuesday night. Not sure why anyone is defending her. Tommy Lynn Sells admitted to killing a 9-10 old boy in Indiana I think and the mom Julie (cant remember her last name) was jailed mainly due to the ex-husband (father of her son) testified and said things that werent true. Start your Independent Premium subscription today. The number of delusional people in this world both shocks and frightens me. Unless theres a complicity between him and her, and the reason she didnt divulge it is because she hopes to put all the blame on him, when she was the one to murder and he was a planner. The first rule of a murder is motive. As Prince Harry says he felt like the film 'the boy in the bubble' before having therapy, who was 12-year-old David Vetter whose tragic story inspired the documentary? Ive found that in nearly every case, those who are firmly of the opinion shes guilty have an extremely limited knowledge of the case theyve watched one (or perhaps more) of the documentaries which make absolutely no attempt to show anything thats in Rorrers favour (theres plenty, if one bothers to look), and worse, revel in exaggerated and speculative scenes, some of which were never even mentioned at her trial. She got 12 months of probation for shoplifting at a Walmart in Lexington, North Carolina. I guess the investigators in Pennsylvania managed a quick resolve to a huge case that had a nations eyes scrutinizing their every move! They found several specimens but not a single one was a match. There was a blood-stained fingernail and hair found on the victims body, and even though (in Keith Morrisons Dateline documentary) the Asst. Jealousy was the motive. Katrinak said he is waiting to hear from his 26-year-old wife,. And about the only thing from your comment with which I can agree, is you saying thats not proof theyre right in reference to their verdict. Im inclined to think both Rorrer and Routier are guilty. They had a son, Alex Martin, in August of 1994. Veronica Barbara Katrinak. Prince Andrew has offered to run some of the prestigious Royal estates as part of his negotiations to leave his Royal mansion - with King Charles reportedly telling him 'there is no chance of that happening'. A person tried in a court of law and then found guilty is not the be-all and end-all to the case. Police believe Rorrer abducted and killed her ex-boyfriend's wife and infant son in Pennsylvania. Davidson County sheriff's deputies searched Rorrer's house in Linwood and volunteered to keep an eye on her after hours. How would an intruder find it? The longer it took to find the bodies the easier it would be for her alibis to be believed as it wouldve been harder for people to remember if she was at a dance class etc that she regularly attended on that specific date. Patricia also pointed out that when author Tammy Mal started her research and speaking to me, she was not an advocate at all but she reversed and ended up advocating for Patricias innocence. And for you to even ask why documentaries are biased, makes me wonder if you have the ability to determine fact from fiction! Patricia Rorrer is as guilty as sin, and she needs to stay right where shes at. This is all BS.She did it. The evidence is overwhelming of her guilt. OK my GUESS is Patricia did do it! How about the two eyewitnesses that identified her alive days after her disappearance. All my comments have been vetted and approved by this sites organisers so how do you see yourself as the judge of whats acceptable or not? Andrew mentioned to police that his former live-in girlfriend Patricia Rorrer once managed a horse stable two miles from the bodies location and would have been familiar with the riding trails close to the murder scene. The fact that her jeans were unbuttoned and unzipped. Theres also the matter of a woman who suddenly remembered she saw Joann with another man at a Food Mart store five days after the disappearance. They lived together in Salisbury Township, Pa., for about two years, but they broke up in 1989. Farm Heroes Saga, the #4 Game on iTunes. If that really is the case, the husbands alibi for a date months before becomes irrelevant. Mrs. Katrinak's husband, Andrew, reported his wife and son missing in December 1994 after they failed to show up at his mother's house. The only thing that has changed since this case is the ability of people to access and proclaim crackpot ideas, conspiracies, and all the rest. Its an opinion learnt from a well-researched book, from documentaries which show and mention a great deal of facts and evidence which was never brought up at her trial. True, Andrew would have no way to acquire and plant Patricias blond hair there because it wasnt that color when she knew him. Sure theres DNA, but if she truly is innocent then why not advocate to find the gun. The Free Patricia Rorrer page points to a sliver of a fingernail found at the murder site that didnt come from either Patricia or Joann. Keep up your delusions. By. Its true that women were more idiots than about men, they had the impression that if they caught a fool to take them as wives, they would settle for life, even today we see that but more diluted, still an exaggerated reason for murder. Play it now! She was bubbly and likable, not disgruntled, according to friend Kathy Barber, who visited her friend in jail. That is not just a circumstantial case, that is both circumstantial and forensic, and it is pretty air tight. With Andrew unwilling or unable to pay the going rate, likely to be thousands of pounds per week, Charles has decided to kick the Sussexes out of the five-bedroom Frogmore Cottage and offer the keys to his younger brother, who is resisting. Too bad she got off with just a life sentence. Shame on your for defending a vicious killer. Fact is she wasnt and all of her alibis were proven to be lies. M.L. I fail to see exactly why someone cant have an opinion which he/she sees as fact. A Patent Pending People Search Process. Your somewhat convoluted explanation of discuss and express opinion, seems to ramble on and on without any logic or reason. Lie detectors are pseudo science. Advocates for her innocence complain of hype surrounding the case. You know the answer to that, the same as I do, which is. And yikes, he discovered someone had cut one of the houses phone lines and pried the hinge on the basement door. The District Attorney got this one right. Cop defends accused. Thats not proof theyre right but its more likely that you as one person are wrong. BROADCASTING SPECULATIVE SCENES, SUCH AS MENTIONED ABOVE, CAN LEAVE A VERY INDELIBLE MEMORY ON THOSE WHO ARE HAPPY TO REMAIN GULLIBLE. I would think if she would have an passed they definitely wouldve started looking somewhere else but there was just too much evidence against her anyway so.. and with forensics the way they are today. Find 4 people named Andrew Katrinak along with free Facebook, Instagram, Twitter, and TikTok profiles on PeekYou - true people search. The fact that previous boyfriends noted her obsession with Andrew is very, very telling. and there are probably many people who still think he is innocent too. Just one example. New state, new man. I am reliably informed they took SIX hours, not TWO as stated in my comment. The article also notes that most inmates earn around 19 cent an hour at their jobs and must pay $5 each time they need medical attention or medicine. Andrew Tate 's legal team has claimed he has a tumour as the detained influencer faces another month in a Romanian prison. So, lets take your response one step at a time. Maybe then you will see the wrongful conviction! The missing hairs probably got destroyed in testing.. thats how they test them.. and reports are wrong all the time. Highly charged case. Family members found Joanns tan Toyota sitting vacant in the parking lot of McCartys, a nearby bar. Stop trying to prove that everyone who is prosecuted is rightfully prosecuted. Theyre more than happy to exaggerate and speculate the details of the crime, which serves to attract more viewers who (like you) seem to be happy to believe it all. Are you even aware there are judges, eminent writers, lawyers and TV personalities and countless other ordinary people all of whom steadfastly support her as being innocent and wrongly convicted. Charles Robert, the 3-month-old son she had with Gary Gabard, died of sudden infant death syndrome; Patricia found him blue in his crib. After a very early failed marriage, the 24-year-old Joann scored a new husband in Andrew Katrinak, 38, whom she met at a club. By posting your comment you agree to our house rules. It was Mr Tates third appeal against his detention since his arrest. They released a poster of Joann and Alex, noting that the baby had almond-shaped blue eyes, weighed 18 pounds, and was circumcised. Combination locks. At 4 a.m. Wednesday morning, several dozen of Rorrer's relatives and friends surrounded the courthouse, said Capt. They moved into her house in Salisbury County, staying together for about two years. Its not logical to say we know the truth unless we seen it for ourselves. The series was produced by Joe Berlinger, who made the Paradise Lost documentaries, which garnered actor Johnny Depps attention and ultimately helped free the West Memphis Three. She wanted all men to give her attention but she couldnt have everyones attention, especially ANDREWS!!! Youre absolutely right!! Do you realize that Patricia was only found and arrested more than six months after the murder? you dont want to fall off and hurt your oversized ego. Police say Rorrer put a .22-caliber bullet in the mother's head, strangled the baby and placed him in the dead mother's arms. I agree. Aside from the hair, there was almost zero forensic evidence. because theres money to be made from the commercials added into their show. MY STATE OF MIND is based on factual information. So would judge and jury say. Murder in Lehigh Valley: Keith Morrison Reports is also available on YouTube, but it costs $1.99 to view (Keith comes off as an advocate for Patricias innocence on the episode). Cops under pressure will lie to close a case. Then 31 years old, she had lived a rocky existence. She killed Joann, had a fair and impartial trial, so its time to get over it. Do not sell or share my personal information. My biggest issue is the day the phone call came in, and the fact that the prosecutor deliberately misrepresented the facts. She has no means to reply or rebut this outrageous slurs and these forums are the only way I know where people may become aware of the wrongful conviction of innocent person and equally, those who happily believe all the adverse and damaging comments. The views expressed in the contents above are those of our users and do not necessarily reflect the views of MailOnline. For the past two years, Patricia Lynne Rorrer was a watched woman. If I rolled my eyes any harder they might fall out. Youll have to make do with what you see here. After researching this case more thoroughly, I stand corrected about the time it took the jury to return a verdict. Want to bookmark your favourite articles and stories to read or reference later? There is a term in law called balance of probabilities, which basically means that guilt is assigned when there is a preponderance of evidence that would lead a rational person to conclude that the person did it. Judge Douglas Reichley heard arguments on the motion for post-conviction relief but did not issue a timeline for making a ruling, according to the Lehigh County District Attorney's Office. I dont see any defining comment or wording that justifies that claim. From my point of view this is an extremely similar case, with less class and style, and without the luxurious details that Interpols case had, such as the involvement of an extremely expensive Alfa Romeo car, and a revolver bought at a lush auction in Paris, which had belonged to a duke before the incident. In North Carolina, she reportedly enjoyed some success as a horse trader, riding instructor, and rodeo competitor. His wife's vehicle was discovered in a parking lot 100 yards away from their house. Quote if I had known I would get caught, I would never have brought you into this world. Pat to Nicole her daughter. Four months after Joanns disappearance, farmer Paul Kovalchik reported seeing what at first looked like a pile of clothes on his land in Heidelberg Township woods, about 15 miles from the Katrinaks house.